Please remain neutral

[ToulthG]

:)

[matchai]

The FOSS movement is a political act. If you'd like to stay out of politics, use for-profit software.

Maintainers and contributors of open source software that we depend on every day are having their lives uprooted and are being killed. If you don't like facing that reality, just scroll past the banner.

[igorsaux]

The FOSS movement is a political act.

And how soon we can expect of pushing a malware in this repo as a political act?

P.S. Please, don't speak for FOSS. Your actions are not welcome there and FOSS is not about policital propaganda like you do.

[philippetev]

There is a good reason most specialized forums to have forbidden the politics in any form in their rules. I see that now...

[philippetev]

You're welcome to use alternatives if you're dissatisfied with our political stance:

* https://github.com/JanDeDobbeleer/oh-my-posh

* https://github.com/liamg/bearings

* https://github.com/romkatv/powerlevel10k

* https://github.com/IlanCosman/tide

Why would I do that, if I'm not displeased with the product itself? Simply because of some minor disagreements on another topic with one of its coders?
I think you're confusing me with someone else (yourself maybe?)...

Please, don't bother to answer me. This conversation is over, for me at least.

[bkerin]

You're mooching spectacularly off all contributors who don't endorse the US project in Ukraine (many because they feel the ongoing militancy there is getting a lot of ordinary Ukrainians killed for no particularly good reason).

[webknjaz]

And... Unsubstantiated nonsense strikes again 🤦🏼

May you'd consider to stop spreading terrorist propaganda instead?

[bkerin]

Are you claiming you did chekc with all 400+ contributors and they all approved the banner? Because if not you're the one pumping on garbage here.

It would be the same if it was a big russian flag with GO PUTIN blazoned all over it btw.

"stop spreading terrorist propaganda" ffs just stop being a total jackass

[webknjaz]

It's up to the maintainers' to be decent just like it is up to you not to be. I only see you spreading the talking points of mass murderers. If you act like a ruscist, expect duck typing to be applied. So it's you who should stop supporting the terrorists, okay?

[TheTechRobo]

"Please remain neutral" the developers would, if Russia remained neutral and stopped the invasions.

It goes both ways.

[oblitum]

The FOSS movement is a political act. If you'd like to stay out of politics, use for-profit software.

This is very rude, just as it's incorrect:

• FOSS can be for-profit (it's a common misconception it cannot)
• For-profit can be political
• What political act/movement FOSS was funded into? Copyleft ideals! starship is copyright! (so that argumentation line isn't even worth carrying on...)
• Software ownership politics is a complete different beast than geopolitics, to remain or not remain neutral on the latter has absolutely no relation with the stance of the former
  • If you wish to bring other kinds of politics into this software you might change your license, for example, there's the Anti-996 license that endorses the Anti-996 movement, which entails work politics. Maybe there's an Anti-Russia or Anti-Putin license...
• (Consciously) not taking (given) sides can also be a political act

Maintainers and contributors of open source software that we depend on every day are having their lives uprooted and are being killed. If you don't like facing that reality, just scroll past the banner.

Donbass people have been shelled for damn long eight years (and you kept silent), Russia rightfully (but too late) recognized their republics' independency, before they or their culture were completely decimated (notice though that endorsing independence doesn't equate to endorsing war).

If I (as user/contributor) lived there I'd be upset about your stance, but at the same time I'd probably do nothing about, given the feeling of impotence that fighting western narratives can bring.

Have you gone beyond western main stream media talking points analysis? Checked Donbass situation since the US-funded colored revolution Euromaidan took place (2014)? What about the Minsk agreements? Or the extent of neo-nazi infiltration in Ukraine? Etc...

Given all that, I'd like to state that is not about that I'm taking a side, Russia, Ukraine, Donbass' republics, it's about not attaching one where it's not due, the software, and by consequence, to all its users and contributors, instead of a personal blog post of yours, which happens to be the original author.

What's happening there, to real people, really depresses me (just like in any of the other several conflicts generated by US meddling, including where I live, including in the US itself).

Now, changing topics a bit and entering conspiracies... I've seen this happening in Rust already, which is spreading to Rust-based projects, it's stronger than elsewhere in general. I've seen the same fallacious argument of conflating politics of code ownership to geopolitics, to code of conduct, etc., coming from Rust developers. This (conflation) is wrong. I can notice it's in their culture for a long time, say, starting with strong codes of conduct a long time ago for shutting down discussions, etc., and which is evolving to geopolitical stances. I wonder whether maybe @steveklabnik had a point when it "freaked out" on that Amazon/Rust drama, I thought it was just a drama but... this is actually fertile ground for a big US corp to take advantage of.

Anyway, this is the nail in the coffin for starship to me, I ended up landing here while innocently looking for the current state of async... and then have hit "that banner" on landing page. My sole lasting request, as a once very minor contributor, is just that you respect this comment and don't delete/edit it.

EDIT:

I've since checked the banner's link content and consider that page of very bad taste due to the pervasive cancel culture of anything Russian that it promotes. This solely creates stronger divisions and hate promotion, besides being childish.

[oblitum]

You're lying and trolling the thread. Not helpful.

[philippetev]

You forgot that they've been shelled by r*ssia.

Please, provide any proves for such claims/accusations. Or get lost. It's as simple as that.
Two options for you, but considering the fact we are at code repository, not involved with politics in any way and therefore, such topics have no place, the second one will be more proper.

[webknjaz]

You're lying and trolling the thread

Not at all. But you are for some reason. In accordance to duck typing, you are a ruscist.

[webknjaz]

Please, provide any proves for such claims/accusations. Or get lost

I don't owe you anything, especially not with this attitude. But I have proof enough. My family was in an occupied village close to Kyiv, they've faced the ruscists (as in had a tank pointing at their house for a week and had belongings taken from them). Luckily they've survived, many didn't.
What's your excuse for supporting r*ssian nazis?

[philippetev]

@webknjaz Exactly what part of "Get lost" you didn't get?

[microyahoo]

@matchai Please don't impose your own ideology on other people. The code is neutral, why should you add something unrelated to the code? Have you considered the feelings of the people of North Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and Libya? If you don't understand, please SHUT UP.

[philippetev]

Hey, @webknjaz, in case you (obviously) have forgotten, GitHub is a place for code and sharing code. Pseudo-"projects" like yours (not just about Ukraine, but about ANY other conflict involving politics/geopolitics) have no place here. I wonder why GitHub haven't forbidden politics in any form in their policy yet...

So, you and people like you, go find any general-purpose or even political forum and spread your political pollution (BS) there!

And next time when you call someone "russian", at least check first where is he/she really from (quick tip: it's usually written).
If you don't know where Bulgaria on the map is, speaking something else is usually considered as a bug in your TV, or Words ahead of thought as we say in Bulgaria.

[webknjaz]

I'm neutral

Yet, your behavior shows otherwise. You just posted a number of ruscist propaganda in support of the genocide (yet another one).

[webknjaz]

I wonder why GitHub haven't forbidden politics in any form in their policy yet...

Is this why you're making posts in support of nazis and genocide?

[webknjaz]

And next time when you call someone "russian", at least check first where is he/she really from

Oh, I did. And I correctly identified a ruscist in front of me. Nazi supporters don't exclusively live on some territory, I saw a ton of emigrants spreading the rssian propaganda, just like you.
Also, I closed the issue because it was doing the same as many other propagandist bots/trolls in other issues. In reality, it doesn't really matter where a person is from if their behavior identifies with a certain known toxic behavior.
This is why it was closed. You behaved like a ruscist, you were supporting rssian nazis, spreading their propaganda. Do this at your home, not in civilized places.

[philippetev]

You did $hit.
So now talking against ANY political involvement of ANY kind in GitHub is classified as "toxic behavior"? Seriously ?!? Yeah, sure. Whatever...

[sanblch]

@matchai, I advice an alternative for the banner you've placed. I think it's more general, it gathers many sources and makes more objective prospective on the war. Moreover it doesn't suggest funding the war.

[webknjaz]

Video on the links is fake.

Said a nazi apologist... What a coincidence. Repeating r*ssian propaganda does not make you believable at all.

[EpsilonKu]

@webknjaz Pls, stop saying to everyone that they are nazi. Saying someone nazi because suggesting more general banner. War is shit, there will be casualties no matter what. Syria 3847 civilians by Coalition force. Yeah, maybe you will also say that "You are also Nazi" and not analysing anything.Btw, I'm not Russian.

[webknjaz]

This has nothing to do with the national origin or location. Only with the behavior of an individual. If you're familiar with duck typing, that's exactly it. If one mimics the behavior of the nazi propaganda, they would be identified as belonging to the same category, that's it, nothing more.

P.S. Whataboutism is a widely used technique ruscists (in particular) use. This may identify you as a genocide supporter following the same principle.

[EpsilonKu]

I don't think that generalization all people as Nazi(not dependent on nation) is correct. You are not respecting any opposite opinion. No one supporting Putin regime.

[webknjaz]

I don't think that generalization all people as Nazi(not dependent on nation) is correct. You are not respecting any opposite opinion. No one supporting Putin regime.

It's statements like this that the regime relies on to exist, to operate, to be possible. If not active, it's definitely a passive support.
Besides, it's a propagandist tale that only a single person is responsible. Just think about it — is it putin personally murdering people, raping, killing kids? No, the disciples do this. Where did they learn to behave like this? Well, in the society. Are they all coming from one specific location/town? Nope, they represent an average rssian. It is quite evident what the society is made of by just looking at the war criminals, listening to their home call intercepts. Alright, who made a whole society like this? The previous generation. Not one generation, quite a few. Rssians have been taking steps to undermine, forbid and wipe the Ukrainian culture, language, self-identity for several hundreds of years. They issued decrees specifically forbidding the use of the language, forcefully relocated tons of people, committed genocided (3 Holodomors in just the 20th century, off the top of my head, millions killed by starvation).
It looks like you didn't take any steps to understand what's actually happening. The context matters. The ruscists are bad. But it's not a a single generation that's like this. Multiple generations for hundreds of years grew up in the ukrainophobic environment. It's a cultural thing. They also have a liberator's complex. So yes, there's around 0.001% of people who are not comfortable with what is being committed in their name. The rest are fine living as they live, being genocide enablers. They usually don't like to think about what's happening to someone else and they live a happy life pretending that the responsibility is somebody else's. But the responsibility is shared.
Until the society changes and a few generations passes, there's no way the perception of this terrorist state changes.

[igortas]

Macedonia and Ukraine are two Christians countries, that suffer the most, through their history and they have similarities in their struggles. While today everyone is losing their mind with Ukraine, like they really care (they don't) no one even mentioned that Macedonia recently, lost their sovereignty country name 'Republic of Macedonia', by interfering into their politics, directly from USA , UK, nearly whole EU union, and few satellite countries, and with just few checks on google that looks like legitimate, approved from the people living there (also Macedonians haved similar kind of small wars in 2001 and 2014), and now the country is called North Macedonia (which people there rejects and they live in apathy, yeah developers too), that also means people lost their nationality, which is damn worse than the war in Ukraine. It's just matter of time when that country will vanish (or the whole country structure will change), will be divided, and no knows will ever be remember it, in the near future. So please developers, when next time put your crap banner on your site, please also support other countries.

[matchai]

Personal harassment and ableist language is not welcome here and directly breaches our code of conduct. A ban was placed on this user's account from interacting in the Starship community.

Edit: Looks like the account has since been deleted.

[igortas]

Personal harassment and ableist language is not welcome here and directly breaches our code of conduct. A ban was placed on this user's account from interacting in the Starship community.

Edit: Looks like the account has since been deleted.

when lies can't become truth, ban those who oppose.

[matchai]

As was just said, ableist language is not tolerated here and directly breaches our code of conduct. We haven't been interfering with this discussion, but your use of ableist slurs right after a user was warned shows that you're not here arguing in good faith.

You've been similarly banned from interacting with the Starship community.

[bkerin]

You're not a moron, obviously, and I would never not say you are. So you understand the situation here. So how the hell do you convince yourself that you're not a huge mooch for claiming to speak for your entire dev community with those banners? I'm honestly curious

[argenkiwi]

Now that the banner has been removed , will the project remain neutral or should we expect one about the conflict between Israel and Palestine to be added soon?

[webknjaz]

It's never neutral, it just gave in to the ruscist terrorist platform, that's about it.