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title: "Meet the Maintainer: Aisuko Li" | ||
subtitle: "An interview series with open source maintainers" | ||
date: 2024-09-27 10:30:05 -0530 | ||
author: Anita Ihuman | ||
thumbnail: ./aisuko-li-layer5-maintainer.png | ||
darkthumbnail: ./aisuko-li-layer5-maintainer.png | ||
description: Meet the Maintainer series with open source maintainer, Aisuko Li | ||
type: Blog | ||
category: Open Source | ||
tags: | ||
- Open Source | ||
featured: false | ||
published: true | ||
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import { BlogWrapper } from "../../Blog.style.js"; | ||
import img from "./aisuko-li-layer5-maintainer.png"; | ||
import { MeetTheMaintainer } from "../../MeetTheMaintainer.style.js"; | ||
import { Link } from "gatsby"; | ||
import ForkLift from "../../../../assets/images/app/hero/forklift.svg"; | ||
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<BlogWrapper> | ||
<MeetTheMaintainer> | ||
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<div class="intro"> | ||
<p> | ||
Continuing in our Meet the Maintainer series, we have{" "} | ||
<Link to="/community/members/aisuko-li">Aisuko Li</Link>. Aisuko is a | ||
maintainer of the{" "} | ||
<Link to="/cloud-native-management/meshery"> Meshery Adapters</Link>{" "} | ||
project. In this interview, we get to know Aisuko a little better and learn | ||
about his journey as an open source project maintainer and with Layer5 | ||
community. | ||
</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewer"> | ||
<span>Anita:</span> | ||
<p> | ||
Aisuko, thank you for joining me today. Many people inside and outside of | ||
the Layer5 Community have seen the effects of your contributions, but may | ||
not know the backstory as to who Aisuko is and how you arrived at your | ||
maintainer role. Indulge us. How did you discover the Layer5 community? What | ||
made you stay? | ||
</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewee"> | ||
<span>Aisuko:</span> | ||
<p> | ||
Thanks for having me here. Actually, Aisuko is my code name. My real name is Bowen Li. I love both of | ||
I used to work for RancherLabs for a while, and I worked to maintain the official Helm (a third-party management tool for Kubernetes manifests) charts repo. These experiences helped me contribute to creating and maintaining Meshery Helm charts. | ||
<br /> | ||
I like open source software, and I love contributing to the community. | ||
The more you contribute, the more permission you get to help the | ||
community grow and improve. | ||
<br /> | ||
The Layer5 community is a true open source community. Everyone here can find | ||
a comfortable role. I have been here since 2019 (a long time ago). I’ve seen | ||
new members join and some leave. It's great to see people work together without | ||
any other conditions. This is one of the ways I have fun. | ||
</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewer"> | ||
<span>Anita:</span> | ||
<p> | ||
You’ve been consistently contributing to a large number of Layer5 projects | ||
(Meshery adapters, mesheryctl, SMI, SMP). Layer5 has a large collection of | ||
active projects. Which one are you currently focusing on? <i>Psst.</i> Also, | ||
which one’s your favorite? I won’t tell. | ||
</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewee"> | ||
<span>Aisuko:</span> | ||
<p> | ||
Actually, the Meshery project in 2021-2022 has changed a lot. More skilled and | ||
talented contributors joined the community. They are so professional and | ||
active, and their hard work has made Meshery more powerful than before. For | ||
instance, projects like `meshkit` and `meshsync` have grown significantly. | ||
It’s great to have such a strong team working together. | ||
<br /> | ||
Right now, I am primarily focusing on the `meshery-operator` project and | ||
`meshery-linkerd`, along with fixing bugs across all the projects. I always | ||
aim to make all the projects more controllable and maintain high code quality. | ||
</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewer"> | ||
<span>Anita:</span> | ||
<p> | ||
Have you worked with any other open source projects? How does Layer5 compare? | ||
</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewee"> | ||
<span>Aisuko:</span> | ||
<p> | ||
I was active in the Rancher community and the Helm charts project, where I owned | ||
three charts. I’m also still a maintainer of the GNU Hurd. Recently, I’ve been | ||
working on contributions to Kubernetes community projects as well. | ||
<br /> | ||
Compared to the Layer5 community, the Kubernetes community is much larger. | ||
Many members are not very active, so it can be difficult to get feedback | ||
on PRs and issues from inactive members. | ||
<br /> | ||
The GNU Hurd project is unique, so there’s no need to compare it with others. | ||
In the Layer5 community, we have a warm welcome for new contributors, and most | ||
projects have active reviewers who provide feedback quickly. | ||
</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewer"> | ||
<span>Anita:</span> | ||
<p>What is so fascinating about service meshes?</p> | ||
There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. @hargunkaur286 terrible question. I've repeatedly asked that we distance the project from service meshes as much as possible. Will you please see that this question is either removed or replaced with another? |
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</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewee"> | ||
<span>Aisuko:</span> | ||
<p> | ||
Service mesh is a concept that goes beyond traditional thinking. It has many | ||
useful features that support microservices, like providing visibility into | ||
internal traffic, enabling mTLS connections, and offering flexible ways to | ||
release new service versions—all without any changes to the service code. | ||
<br /> | ||
The most important point is that service mesh gives control back to the end-users. | ||
They can monitor and manage traffic details, which would be difficult to do without | ||
service mesh features. | ||
</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewer"> | ||
<span>Anita:</span> | ||
<p>Fascinating. Why did you pick service meshes specifically, though?</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewee"> | ||
<span>Aisuko:</span> | ||
<p> | ||
I have worked with many middle- and small-sized companies that wanted to migrate | ||
to the cloud. It’s easy to move to Kubernetes, but it’s hard to ensure everything | ||
runs smoothly. You have limited visibility into what’s happening in the cluster, | ||
and service mesh solves that problem by showing real-time traffic. | ||
<br /> | ||
Service mesh provides direct insights into traffic flows, which is its most useful feature. | ||
</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewer"> | ||
<span>Anita:</span> | ||
<p> | ||
Haha. Leading on from that, what should Meshery dream about next? What can we hope | ||
to contribute to the service mesh landscape in your opinion? | ||
</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewee"> | ||
<span>Aisuko:</span> | ||
<p> | ||
I once talked to Lee, the founder of Layer5. Due to time zone differences, we don’t | ||
get many chances to discuss things directly. But I believe we don’t need to create | ||
a new service mesh. | ||
<br /> | ||
What we should do is provide third-party performance tools for existing service | ||
mesh projects. We should give the choice back to the users, letting them pick the | ||
service mesh that best suits their needs. | ||
<br /> | ||
We should contribute to SMI and CNCF projects, helping to define performance standards | ||
for the cloud-native industry. That’s why I’m keen on joining these communities. | ||
</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewer"> | ||
<span>Anita:</span> | ||
<p> | ||
Interesting. Do expand on that. What do you think Meshery could offer, in addition to what it already does? | ||
</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewee"> | ||
<span>Aisuko:</span> | ||
<p> | ||
I believe we can offer a CNCF-standard performance tool for all service mesh | ||
applications. We can collaborate with service mesh maintainers to define these | ||
standards, which would be beneficial for end-users. It’s similar to what we did | ||
with SMI. | ||
</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewer"> | ||
<span>Anita:</span> | ||
<p>What are today's challenges when working with service meshes?</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewee"> | ||
<span>Aisuko:</span> | ||
<p> | ||
Even though service mesh has many features, it's still not always stable in production. | ||
I remember that even Istio (v1.1x) couldn’t be upgraded to newer versions easily. | ||
<br /> | ||
Additionally, we don’t often get test results from real production environments. | ||
Right now, the focus is on multi-cluster service mesh capabilities, which brings | ||
new challenges. | ||
</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewer"> | ||
<span>Anita:</span> | ||
<p> | ||
That’s good to hear. What do you think we should look forward to with respect to service mesh development? | ||
</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewee"> | ||
<span>Aisuko:</span> | ||
<p> | ||
I’ve worked with service mesh applications like Linkerd2, Istio, and OSM in development environments. OSM is my preference because it’s modular and has a simpler architecture compared to others. | ||
<br /> | ||
From my experience, I believe that not all environments need all the features of a service mesh. Some middle or small companies may only need visibility into traffic flows without complex features like mTLS. | ||
<br /> | ||
So, we should focus on simple architecture and features. For example, integrating traffic visualization with Ingress, so users don’t need to create new custom resources to track traffic. | ||
</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewer"> | ||
<span>Anita:</span> | ||
<p> | ||
Ah, while I have you here, let me get more reading recommendations lined up. | ||
Cloud Native and especially the field of service meshes is evolving | ||
exceptionally fast. Keeping up with all the developments can be challenging. | ||
Which resources do you use to stay up-to-date? | ||
</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewee"> | ||
<span>Aisuko:</span> | ||
<p> | ||
People are always interested in new technology, but we are limited by time. I believe | ||
that continuing to contribute to the service mesh open source community is the best way | ||
to stay updated. | ||
<br /> | ||
Articles and news may include the author’s personal opinions, and we don't always know | ||
if they have strong relationships with the community. We should maintain critical thinking | ||
and focus on solving real-world problems. The best way to learn is through hands-on experience. | ||
</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewer"> | ||
<span>Anita:</span> | ||
<p> | ||
What does being a Meshery maintainer mean to you? How has being a maintainer impacted your full-time role? | ||
</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewee"> | ||
<span>Aisuko:</span> | ||
<p> | ||
It’s an honor to be a maintainer of the Meshery community. The membership | ||
is a reward for contributing to the community. Being a maintainer has made me | ||
more enthusiastic about contributing to open source projects. It has also given | ||
me confidence to contribute to other projects. | ||
</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewer"> | ||
<span>Anita:</span> | ||
<p> | ||
Do you have any advice for individuals hoping to become Layer5 contributors | ||
or potentially maintainers? | ||
</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="interviewee"> | ||
<span>Aisuko:</span> | ||
<p> | ||
The Layer5 and Meshery communities are always welcoming to everyone. | ||
New features are great, but there’s more to contributing than just code. | ||
For example, writing unit tests and code comments is just as important as | ||
adding new features. | ||
<br /> | ||
One of our goals is to provide an opportunity for everyone who wants to contribute | ||
to open source projects, so we need to maintain a high level of code quality. | ||
</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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<div class="note"> | ||
<img src={ForkLift} height="100px" /> | ||
<p> | ||
The Meshery project moves at an impressive pace thanks to maintainers like | ||
Aisuko. Be like Aisuko. Join the{" "} | ||
<a href="https://slack.layer5.io">Layer5 Slack</a> and say “hi". | ||
</p> | ||
</div> | ||
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</MeetTheMaintainer> | ||
</BlogWrapper> |
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We have a newer, cooler member card style (in Figma) that can be used, if you like.