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Raku™ -> Raku® #4517

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nige123 opened this issue Sep 23, 2024 · 7 comments
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Raku™ -> Raku® #4517

nige123 opened this issue Sep 23, 2024 · 7 comments
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nige123 commented Sep 23, 2024

Raku is a registered trade mark of The Perl and Raku Foundation.

Can we please update all the documentation pages to use the correct symbol? ®

It's sufficient to just use the ® symbol prominently once on the page - rather than repeating it multiple times.

Please also remove ™ throughout the documentation.

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coke commented Sep 23, 2024

@nige123 - where do you see the text "registered trade mark" in the docs? or ™?

I suspect your issue isn't with the docs in this repository

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nige123 commented Sep 23, 2024

I see it on this page:

https://docs.raku.org

The problem is with the use of ™ - it needs to be ® instead - and only really used once per page.

Sorry if this is the wrong repo for the bug report.

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coke commented Sep 23, 2024

To address this, it'll be a PR to raku/doc-website, but this is fine, no worries.

FYI, this was setup this way specifically with guidance from @codesections as part of discussions with legal representation while he was working with the Raku Foundation.

"Raku™" is not used in any of the content itself, so it would just be in the website generation, like the title page, menus, footer, etc. (so on that home page, it's there twice).

I do see the camelia logo has a "tm" (but not a ™), which I don't think was part of that previous conversation.

Would love to get feedback from someone in RSC or directly from the foundation on this.

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duncand commented Sep 23, 2024

Given that formal registrations of trademarks are country-specific, is it normal or appropriate to specify somewhere in which countries this applies to? Unless there are treaties recognizing registered trademarks between countries, the R would apply in some places and fall back to TM in others. Of course informally we want to make ourselves look as good as possible and unqualified R is better than unqualified TM for sure.

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nige123 commented Sep 23, 2024

I previously helped The Perl Foundation to register the Raku trademark. So I'm not sure why @codesections would have suggested using ™️ instead of ®️. It's better to err on the side of using the ®️ than not - as this puts people on notice that TPRF has IP rights in this name (e.g., in USA, UK, EU and Japan).

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nige123 commented Sep 23, 2024

Camelia is not currently registered (although it easily could be).

Fortunately it is really distinctive - and in the trade mark / marketing world this is a super power. Consequently there is less urgency to formally register it as a trade mark. Larry has assigned the copyright in Camelia to TPRF which is very useful. TPRF is also using Camelia as a trade mark so it's important to communicate this with ™️ .

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nige123 commented Sep 23, 2024

To avoid any misunderstanding here:

  • please s{ ™️ }{ ®️ }g in relation to Raku
  • please try and limit Raku®️ to one per page - so it's not TOO SHOUTY®️
  • please keep ™️ as it relates to Camelia™️ (i.e., this signifies its use as a common-law trade mark)

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