Translated CoC and CoC Language note

[logankilpatrick]

Worth looking over this: https://github.com/exercism/julia/blob/main/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md#exercism-code-of-conduct to see how we can implement some of these things for our CoC.

[comradekingu]

How is assigning gender to a female name sexualizing it?
That CoC nests two layers of further explanation and rules, in a further 5+ revisions.

[StefanKarpinski]

Using a linguistically gendered word for something is not the same as talking about it as though it were a person with a gender. Languages where nouns have genders also refer to tables and chairs and other inanimate objects with gendered words without anyone being confused that those objects have human genitalia. In particular, even in languages with gendered nouns, it is perfectly clear to everyone that just because something is grammatically masculine or feminine does not mean that it is an actual male or female person.

Referring to "Julia" as if it were a person is not even problematic in itself (nor does the community standards document say that it is). The problem is and always has been people talking about "Julia" as though it were a woman and then implying that they might have sex with "her". The main reason it's suggested that people avoid talking about Julia as if "she" were a person is that as soon as someone does that, it seems irresistible for people to imply that someone is going to have sex with "her". This irresistible temptation seems to be oddly specific to things that are gendered as feminine. I have never once encountered anyone feeling compelled to make the same kind of sexual implication about the Stan DSL, for example.

[comradekingu]

That may not be "genderize", so much as personify.

I predict the nature of how that comes to be, will in fact not be changed by the particular contents of a text-file. However what you have done here is make it truly irresistible to disobey.
Could it be that the female name "Julia" personified in things seen as good, manifest as a result of capacities of the language? It is however a linguistical construct that sees some use with boats/ships.

[logankilpatrick]

Thanks for your input @comradekingu, it is noted.

[ViralBShah]

I'm converting this to a discussion, since this doesn't have a direct actionable thing that needs to be done.

[comradekingu]

A trademark will do not a whole lot outside of mentions more specific than "Julia". Its enforcement would require the same kind of follow-up needed for all instances of misuse. This angle sounds like great PR.

In having a CoC, why not also impose another aspect of judeo-christianity
in enforcing commandments. "Thou shall not unhallow thy name", or something to that effect.
In evidence of this specific "sexualization" already banned by only the version of the text-file found in their repo, surely more authoritarianism in similar or differently named textfiles will work.
Sooner or later the structure will follow.
Deus vult.